The game so far:
Oograh Boike
Hi,
Anyone interested in a new game? I prefer singles unlimited, if that's OK with you...
I don't mind either way to start with dwarfs or Trolls, so I'll leave that choice to you.
OB.
NiDochartaigh
what's this no one want to play with you Sad
As soon as one of my other three finishes, I'll have you yet another game if you like, so far its two a peice...
Oograh Boike
....or, maybe you could spare me one of your three (3!) opponents... 
NiDochartaigh
I think one is trying to recover from his last game with you...
you know me I'm a bit addicted...
Oograh Boike
So am I, actually. 
Let's wait and see what happens. If no takers have come, I'll gladly play with you again.
erik
I am up for a game. If I am dwarves my first move is:
d L14-g14
Oograh Boike
Thanks, Erik!
T H9 - G10
erik
d: B11-B7
Oograh Boike
T G7 - F7
Just for the record, are you the same Erik that used to be on the old forum?
erik
Yup.
d: G14-A8
Oograh Boike
Nice opening moves!
T G10 - F9
BTW, could you leave out the : colons in your notation? I can't copy/paste to ThudBoard this way. Thx!
erik
Interesting responce.
d C12 - C6
Oograh Boike
T J8 - H9
erik
d B5 - B6
Oograh Boike
T F7 - D5 x C4 x C6
erik
d b7 - d5 xd5
Oograh Boike
T F9 - B9 x A8 x A9 x A10
erik
Hmm, I was expecting g8-e6. Are you getting greedy or am I missing something?
d D5-H1
Oograh Boike
T H7 - H6
Erik, thank you very much for your patience! OB.
erik
Welcome back.
Sorry I have not been dropping in on this forum as often as I should.
d E2-H2
Oograh Boike
T J7 - J6
No worries!
erik
L2-J6
Oograh Boike
L2-J6
Yeah, right. 
erik
Well, it would be nice.
L2-J2
Oograh Boike
T J6 - J5
erik
M3-H3
Oograh Boike
T H6 - G7
erik
d H3-J3
Oograh Boike
T H9 - G10
erik
Very Nice move, but I think I have an answer. Let's start with the obvious.
d J3-J5 xJ5, see told you that dwarf would take out that troll.
Oograh Boike
Thank you, was rather proud myself that I came up with that one.
Of course, I knew that Troll was a goner by doing that...
T G7 - G3 x H2
erik
But did you consider what would follow? With 5 out of 6 trolls on one half of the board, and no line pointed towards the other half.
d J2 - P8
As a side note, I was seriously considering ignoring your sacrifice. And playing b6-f10 instead, would have made things rather busy for you.
Oograh Boike
1. Yes, I was aware of that. But I had to do something.
2. Why didn't you? That would have been a terrific move! I was probably expecting d3 - g3, but that would have resulted in j5 - h4 x g3 x j3, another sacrifice I was willing to make.
But, as it stands, my reply is of course:
T G3 - G2 x F1 x G1 x H1
edit: BTW, did you notice they are locking thud-forums up in here? Maybe we should move to http://forum.thudguild.com , I already did?
erik
Well, in the game of Go there is a proverb; "A rich man should not pick fights." In short it means that when ahead you should work to simplify the game, so as to minimize the oppertunities for your opponent to stage an upset.
Since I think that I will be able to form a block from the current position, and don't think I will allow you to form a block on the rematch, I feel moderatly confident that I am ahead. The sacrifice move b6-f10 gives you far more options, most of which is most likely worse for you than this line, but the whole game becomes far more complex; I was not able to read it out well anough to satisfy myself that it was safe.
This is essentialy the argument I was using when arguing against using points to see how well people was doing on your site.
d A7-O7
I just registered at thudguild, so if you want to move we can.
You would have answered d3-g3 with j5-h4??
That's a lousy move. You won't be able to shove when I take h4, which means that I would get to move h4-g3 and you would prob. lose another troll.
D3-G3; g7-g4 x g3, and I would be forced to revert to the line I am currently playing- minus the dwarf at h4.
Oograh Boike
I just registered at thudguild, so if you want to move we can.
OK, good, let me set up a copy of this game first.
You would have answered d3-g3 with j5-h4??
That's a lousy move. You won't be able to shove when I take h4, which means that I would get to move h4-g3 and you would prob. lose another troll.
D3-G3; g7-g4 x g3, and I would be forced to revert to the line I am currently playing- minus the dwarf at h4.
Ehmmm...
d D3 - G3
T J5 - H4 x G3 x J3
d H2 - H4 x H4
T G7 - G3 x H4 Who said I couldn't shove? And what would a single dwarf on G3 do?
erik
You would have answered d3-g3 with j5-h4??
That's a lousy move. You won't be able to shove when I take h4, which means that I would get to move h4-g3 and you would prob. lose another troll.
D3-G3; g7-g4 x g3, and I would be forced to revert to the line I am currently playing- minus the dwarf at h4.
Ehmmm...
d D3 - G3
T J5 - H4 x G3 x J3
d H2 - H4 x H4
T G7 - G3 x H4 Who said I couldn't shove? And what would a single dwarf on G3 do?
Umm, yeah. My bad. The dwarf at G3 is most likely not all that important, but comparing having it with not having it I prefer that it's there.
Anyway, found a solid reason not to do b6-f10;
d b6-f10
T G7-G3 x h2
d f10-g9 x g9
T g10-h9 x g9
And I have to choose between getting a dwarf fast to P8 or taking the troll at J5, both choices leaving me in a slightly worse positon than what I get when I play the proper way.
The trolls might even elect to lose another troll in the center and go for g3-h2 saving J5 and removing any dwarves that would be interesting for the right side.
Re: Oograh Boike vs erik
Anyway, found a solid reason not to do b6-f10
Good thinking!
However, it looks like I'm scr*w*d now. There's no way I can get to the east fast enough to do anything about what's happening there. But it was either this, or something similar in the north.
Let me think this over, for the weekend.
T G2 - H2 x J1
Ah well, nothing to think about really. Go for the leftovers.
d B6-O6
T H2 - J2 x K1
d d3-m11
T J9 - K10
m11-o9
T K10 - L11
j15-o10
T L11 - L12 x M13
g15-o8
I guess that's it. Unless you think you can get some Troll(s), I think we should move on to the next game.
erik - OB --> 24 - 20 (OB 4).
Agreed?
If so:
d A6 - J14
First game;
Well, the dwarf at K15 is dead(so the score should be OB 5 if we assume no trolls can be killed), but I think I can assemble the rest on the right. That would give me a 19 dwarf block, which should be enough to allow me to move them. So I am not ready to give up on killing another troll yet.
I suggest the following sequence;
T L12-K13
d E14-N6
T K13-J14 x K15
d F15-N8
T G10-F11
d D13-D3
T J2-H3
d J5-N9
T H3-G4
d D3-M11
T J14-H13
d A6-M6
An other sequence(not as good for you)
T L12-K13
d E14-N6
T K13-K14 x K15
d F15-N8
T G10-F11
d D13-D3
T J2-H3
d J5-N9
T H3-G3
d D3-M11
T K14-L13
d M11-N11
T L13-K13
d A6-M6
I will stick to this, so you merely need to decide where you wish to depart from it. And what your next move will be.
Game2:
(There will be a lot of minor shuffeling going on in the first game, so I propose we play it as a double from here on out).
T J9-J10
First game;
Well, the dwarf at K15 is dead(so the score should be OB 5 if we assume no trolls can be killed), but I think I can assemble the rest on the right. That would give me a 19 dwarf block, which should be enough to allow me to move them. So I am not ready to give up on killing another troll yet.
OK, that dwarf on K15 was an oversight. I assumed it would be able to run away by G15, and then D12. It doesn't. Be happy, one for you, you're welcome.
An other sequence(not as good for you)
T L12-K13
d E14-N6
T K13-K14 x K15
d F15-N8
T G10-F11
d D13-D3
T J2-H3
d J5-N9
T H3-G3
d D3-M11
T K14-L13
d M11-N11
T L13-K13
d A6-M6
I will stick to this, so you merely need to decide where you wish to depart from it. And what your next move will be.
You've got to be kidding, right? You just did seven! moves on my behalf!
I'd be happy to keep playing, but I will most certainly not "merely decide" to play along with your fantasies. Trolls are mine to move, and I will move them according to my plans, not yours, thank you very much.
You've got to be kidding, right? You just did seven! moves on my behalf!
I'd be happy to keep playing, but I will most certainly not "merely decide" to play along with your fantasies. Trolls are mine to move, and I will move them according to my plans, not yours, thank you very much.
I did not. I commited myself to certain responces in a sequence of 7 of your possible moves. So all I have done is give you an insight into my plans. If you have something else planned then you are of course free to do so. And I can not complain if you use the sequence I have given to find the best time to implement that plan.
Ah, sorry, misunderstanding here. You presented two options, and the "I will stick with this" after option two made me reach for my club and axe.
Are you really sure you want to go through with this? I was ready to end this game, because I knew there was nothing more for me in it. I will not risk a Troll anytime soon, but most likely be found cowering in a corner waiting for the storm to blow over.
What I'm trying to say is: I think it's useless, and a waste of time.
But hey, there's two of us who need to agree on ending the game.
If you want to play on:
1: T L12 - K13
2: Sorry, forgot about that until just now. I'll come up with a move soon.
Ah, sorry, misunderstanding here. You presented two options, and the "I will stick with this" after option two made me reach for my club and axe.
Yeah, guess I should have been more careful with the presentation there.
Are you really sure you want to go through with this? I was ready to end this game, because I knew there was nothing more for me in it. I will not risk a Troll anytime soon, but most likely be found cowering in a corner waiting for the storm to blow over.
What I'm trying to say is: I think it's useless, and a waste of time.
But hey, there's two of us who need to agree on ending the game.
Cowering is not an option. Unless you make moves to prevent me I will be able to sweep the board. There is nowhere to hide, and you will not be able to slip past on the sides. The question is wether or not you can set up a position where advancing would cause me to lose points. I think that the only way you can do this is by first throwing troll(s) at me to reduce the number of dwarves that I can move around, but that would give me the profit I seek.
In short I do not belive it to be useless. Although I am inclined to agree with you on the waste of time part; during the next 20 moves I expect to advance my dwarves almost 2 squares. And that is faster than I expect the next 2 squares to go.
1: T L12 - K13
I have already stated that my responce to this move is
d E14-N6
T J14 - H13
Sorry about the delay...
T J14 - H13
Hmm, giving a long sequence did not turn into the timesaver I had hoped. We get all the same back and forth just clarifiying points.
Atm there is no troll at J14, if this was intended as a move further down the sequence I suggested I need to know when it comes.
Sorry about the delay...
That's OK.
T K13 - J14 x K15
d F15 - N8
T J14 - H13
d j5-m5
T J2 - H3
A6-M6
T H3 - G4
Once I'm finished with one of the other games I'm playing, I'll start round two here, OK?
OK
d D13-D6
Sorry if I have been a bit spotty. Exam is coming up.
Good luck then (with your exams I mean).
T G4 - F5
Thanks.
d D6-L6
T F5 - E6
d O10-K6
T E6 - F7
d O11-K7
T G10 - F9
d m5-k5
T G8 - H7
A very Happy New Year! Health & happiness!
Ready to continue round two now. Played so far:
d A6 - J14
T J9 - J10
My next move:
2: d G15 - H15
Happy new year.
Game 1.
Doh!. That was unecesarry.
d: K7-N7
Game2
T: G9-G10
Game 1:
T H7 - J7 x K6
Game 2:
d P6 - G14
Could you leave out the colons : in your notation? It helps copy/paste to ThudBoard if you do. Thanks.
game 1
d N8 - M7
game 2
T G10 - G11
1:
T J7 - J8
2:
d P7 - H14
game 1:
d o5-m5 and
T j8-j9 will be answered d n4-l4.
Too bad I have no way to cunningly trap the troll thus separated.
game2:
Oh well, at least there where some damage to your sides.
T J10-L12 xM13 and J14xL12 will be answered G11-G12.
1:
suggestions declined, because:
T J8 - K8
Don't bang your head on the keyboard too soon! This had nothing to do with the insight you gave me into your tactics.
You chose to go on when I was ready to resign, in the hopes of getting an extra troll. That changed my strategy to "suvival", and "keep the score as it is". Suicidal Trolls are part of that, because it keeps the score, AND diminishes dwarfs...
Game 2:
suggestions accepted, and
d G14 - A8
1;
Yes I concidered that you could play that move. I don't see that it gives you any noticable benefit though. I fully expect suicidal trolls, and maybe a 3 for 1, and even compared to when you offered to end is the best I can hope for, but still:
d m7-n8
2:
T b5-b7
I think I am going to lose another troll.
Game 1:
I really thought I had every angle covered, and was sure of a 4 to 4. Nice move!
T K8 - L7 x L6 x M6
Game 2:
Hmmm. Not very nice, that one...
Please try again.
1: You didn't consider me moving a dwarf away?
D N7-L7 xL7
And I think I'll sit my dwarves from now on.
So I will accept OB+4, which means that another way to get that score would have been simply to not point out the dead dwarf.
2:
T G7-F7
Game 1:
I did, just did not think of that particular direction.
Agreed, let's end it here.
Game 2:
d B11 - B7
T F7-E8
d O5 - C5
T e8-d9
It's a bit scary to be operating with just a single lone troll like this.
d L14 - C6
Single Trolls can be very effective, you got me scared as well
Yes, but if one makes a single tiny mistake. Like say overlooking the possibility of A7-B6, then preventing a disaster can quickly become difficult.
It's painfull, but I see no other move:
T G8-F7