Klash: a new game that you can play with your Thud set

Hi SA,

This is very interesting indeed. Thank you for posting this. I hope Trevor (and you) don't mind if I make these rules available in the downloads section of my site as well?

Some thoughts though:

-1: I'm afraid Trevor forgot about notation. We need to agree on notation for two additional things that aren't in the original notation (eg: d A8 - F7 x F7): first the calling in of a Troll from the side to the Stone, and second the "call for Forced Ending". Is there any way you could ask Trevor to think about this, and preferrably reasonably fast? I would like to try this as soon as possible, but to avoid lots of players inventing lots of alternative ideas I think we need word from the ThudMeister himself.
-2: This wil not work (yet?) in ThudBoard. An e-mail about these new rules is on its way to Mc, let's hope he can bring us a 1.9 --or maybe even a 2.0?-- any time soon....

But the game looks great, can't wait to have a try at this. Luckily, Palm is close at hand.
Oh......

Happy Thudding!

Hi SA,

Another couple of thoughts:

-1: In the "Forced Ending" it says: "If there are fewer than four dwarfs not yet attached to the (larger) group then at the end of his/her move the trolls’ commander can invoke a forced ending." Please note the bolded and italicized "can". This simpy to thwart discussions at the very bud.
-2: "copyright Trevor Truran 2005". Two thousand and [deleted ] FIVE??!! This has been withheld for two years?? I think it is time to call in Ponder and his Legendary Pointy Sticks at this point.

Happy Thudding!

Ooohhhh... I'm as excited as a very excited thing

As far as the new notation goes, I dont think it'll be much of a problem: I wont say what I'm thinking of for Troll introduction, because OB's point of avoiding lots of people starting their own different methods is valid, but I will say that I dont think we really need any specific notation for forced endings. After all, we dont have any notation for an ending at the moment, we just write "Player X wins by Y points". I dont see why we'd need to have anything more specific than "Player X forces end: Player X wins by Y points" for this.

Just my £0.02

MS

yay! i love using my pointy sticks...but having met Mr Truran myself...i dont think i could use my sticks on him. He is ever so nice

but as far as the rules go i think there is room for improvement but i am very excited by the general concept.

Having a quick look it looks hugely biased in favour of the trolls, but i haven't had time to study it in depth...

This is a reply to the previous 3 posts as above so below depending on how you sort threads

Trevor in his last email to me said that he is quite busy at the moment and does not have time to do further analysis of the game for now so it is here on an as is basis between us we will have to work out notation etc.

I have asked if OB can have the rules on his site but not had a reply yet. Trevor did say that perhaps i could try it out on a select few to see if its worth playing before releasing it to the rest of the Internet but i think to get enough numbers to test it this is the best place.

It seems that like original Thud as you should play both ways it does not matter if Trolls or Dwarfs do have an advantage.

My thoughts on using the Thudboard as is at the moment would be at the start to have the six trolls on the valley part of the board as described and move them to the middle as you play and at the end of a half if some Trolls are left kill them to get the score i will send OB a shell document to put up on his site that you can use to test this but i am open to other suggestions. As MrScrub pointed out i think we can agree to stop the half at the point described in the game so we should be able to use existing notation and Thudboard to test but it would be nice to have a new shiny Thudboard with correct colouration etc.

edit i have emailed OB the Klashsetup.thud file but have also put it on the http://sanealex.googlepages.com/klashrules page for people to download from for those who are impatient to have ago.

Since it's been suggested that we come up with our own notation, I'll make my suggestion: Have a read of any thudboard save file, and it's quite easy.

Pieces are introduced to the board in a standard format already - for the setup of the game: If you want to introduce a troll on J7, you'd just put
T J7

There's no reason that should be ambiguous as far as I can tell, and it should be comparitively easy to extend thudboard to allow that, compared with allowing some new scheme.

Mr Scrub

what a sick game,anyone want to play?let me know

Hi Y'all,

This is in reply to a couple of the previous posts discussing some of the subjects I brought to attention.

First: ThudBoard. Mc came up with the same idea (by e-mail to me) as SANEAlex: use the unallocated places on the board to put the Trolls for the time being. The only thing you need to remember is that if not all Trolls have been put into use by the end of the game, you need to either kill all the remaining ones in one final unofficial move, or adjust the score manually when submitting.
People will be looking for completed and scored games at my site without having to look up what the eventual score was, so I'm with the first option.
A setup for Klash! for use with your ThudBoard was provided by SANEAlex (thanks mate!) and is available for download at my site.

Which brings me to second: my site. I'm very enthousiastic about this new development, so I already made a page for Klash! at my site. No savegames yet, obviously, but SA's setup is there for you to download, plus another link to the PDF. I have had word from SANEAlex by e-mail that Trevor agreed to my putting it on my site, so now I'm going to get rich rich rich! because everyone will be so happy I put it there they will start sending me loads of gold gold gold! and diamonds by the tons! [ *]

Third: notation. Mc had a very bright idea, because he was ahead of Trevor this time. He suggested bringing in a Troll from the side could be notated as +T G7. Once Trevor comes up with a new game that allows pieces to be moved from the game without any capture, that could be notated as -d M7 for instance. You've got to agree that was some quick thinking on Mc's part .
However, ThudBoard as it is now will not notate as Mc suggested. He's promised to look into it when he has the time. Unfortunately, that won't be anytime in the near future.

[ *]An inside joke. SANEAlex told me I was allowed to put the PDF for download on my site provided I did not use it commercially, ie for gain. But people sending me loads of gold gold gold! and diamonds by the tons! out of their free will is not commercial, nor gain, is it?

Happy Klashing!

Well, there's a game played by SA and Floris, as I noticed in the rightmost column of the page.

But this new type does thrill me. I'd be happy to try and play, ook. You have my challenge.

and so the gauntlet is thrown,challenge accepted elerias,one more question then...d or t?

I'd try dwarves first, if you don't mind.

Hi Y'all,

FlorisXIV sent me a GIF for a Klash! board, it's available for download on the Klash! page of my site for anyone interested. Thank you FlorisXIV.

Another interesting development is a challenge of a different kind alltogether. It was Mc's idea actually, I just slighty reworded it to be more to my convenience . There's something in it for you as well, so visit the Klash! page on my site pronto! I hope to hear from you soon.

Happy Klashing!

sure,will set it up now

i dont have