Welcome back to the improved Thudgame site!

only one comment so far now that you fixed the overlapping search box

Deja vu on the sigs of all the old posts even the ones where i made sure before that there was not.

Deja vu on the sigs of all the old posts even the ones where i made sure before that there was not.

SA

SA

PS

Just to spoil my own post there seems to be de ja vu amongst the click-able smileys too but not all.

Post with duplicate sig deleted for sure

edit there is no duplicate sig in here for sure but 2 copies show

Nice to see the simplified list of options at the bottom of each comment, especially the removal of the redundant "quote" link.

One piece of weirdness to report from me: when I first logged in and was taken to my user account page the top of the main section contained a chunk of random code, that looked like this:

Cleared block cache for module: aggregator, delta: category-1, module: aggregator, delta: feed-3, module: aggregator, delta: feed-5, module: aggregator, delta: feed-6, module: block, delta: 4, module: block, delta: 3, module: block, delta: 2, module: block, delta: 1, module: block, delta: 5, module: blog, delta: 0, module: comment, delta: 0, module: comment_mover, delta: 0, module: dhtml_menu, delta: 1, module: dhtml_menu, delta: 511, module: cart, delta: 0, module: event, delta: 0, module: event, delta: 1, module: faq, delta: 0, module: faq, delta: 1, module: forum, delta: 0, module: forum, delta: 1, module: gtrans, delta: 0, module: i18n, delta: 0, module: translation, delta: 0, module: image, delta: 0, module: image, delta: 1, module: img_assist, delta: 0, module: live_discussions, delta: 0, module: menu, delta: 511, module: node, delta: 0, module: poll, delta: 0, module: privatemsg, delta: 0, module: profile, delta: 0, module: referral, delta: 0, module: review, delta: 0, module: search, delta: 0, module: similar, delta: 0, module: smileys, delta: 0, module: user, delta: 0, module: user, delta: 1, module: user, delta: 2, module: user, delta: 3, module: userpoints, delta: 0, module: userpoints, delta: 1

Dunno if that'll reproduce every time I log in - I'll tell you in a few minutes when I've tried...

Mr Scrub

Last couple of times I've just been hit by a blank
Access Denied
You do not have authorisation to view this page
although I have successfully logged in.

Of course, that could just mean that you're playing around with that bit of the site, working on fixing my last complaint, and dont want people to see it in pieces...

MS

I'm getting a similar code block when I add/delete comments - probably whenever there's one of those little messages at the top of the page (the "user Mr Scrub gained 1 thudpoint" type things)

MS

I see the lovely new search box. At least, I think it's lovely, but it's sitting smack on top of the "In the Thudcave" heading. Firefox 2.0.0.2

Couple of positives from me, now:

1. Most of the modding I get round to is done with the buttons on the page, so I dont often visit the "Administer" menu, but a quick glance looks more welcoming than I remember it...

2. Image galleries looking rather better - no siginificant overlaying of elements on top of each other any more, which has gotta be good. Getting a pink box at the top of the pages, warning that it's
"Unable to create scaled thumbnail image"
but that doesnt seem to have stopped it from showing it fairly normally. The only other thing should be fixable with one line of css: on the galleries page (from the "Image Galleries" link at the top of any specific gallery) the text seems to be pale yellow on an off-white background... not legible until you highlight it.

MS

Same here, it's on top of the "Play Thud Online" and the "Thud Rules" links, I can't click either of them.

Page loads are incredibly fast, and the scrolling issue seems to have been tackled as well. Yeeehaaa!
Oh and the language settings are back, every option is in dutch again. "Er zijn momenteel 2 users en 69 guests online". Wow!

I'm sure I deleted the sig lines in this post, let's see if they show twice like with SANEAlex' and Mr Scrubs'. In this post there is nothing after this full stop.

: : : You can't see where quotes end, and a new comment starts. The window thingies are gone?

Can't add any new complaints. All of mine are already mentioned.

But the loading speed is quite an improvement. And I don't have to delete my sig from the text box everytime I post a new comment. (although it shows as though I didn't delete...)

it seems the quoting boxes have also dissapeared...

i just noticed with OBs post...

We had that very high on the list to fix - Magrat has had her eye on that for quite a while

That only appears for Administrative users and is information only stating the block caching is working. Block caching makes the site a little bit faster.

For an unknown reason this happened to me too but stopped when I refreshed the browser.try that and let me know if it continues. It appears correctly here on Win2K/FF2.0.0.3 after refresh.

We're still working on the signature thing.

Fair enough - I can deal with that

It was appearing perfectly normally for me, higher up the page than any of the other links, until this morning, when it disappeared... I guess that's due to Men At Work

MS

Back now - or perhaps never left and I was being blind... only history will tell

MS

Why is the message options and message writing window different? I have an INTENSE hatred of change so could someone please explain what happened exactly? I'm so lost. and is the font different?

P.S. it would be infinitely more convinient to put all the smileys BELOW the message writing box as now not only do i scroll more but i can't see my message and the oroginal to which i am replying at the same time which is a lot of wasted time.

Update: Fixed the annoying bug that took you to a 404 Page rather than the comment form when logging in from the link at the bottom of a post.

Only needed a forward-slash ("/") in the right spot.

The downside to free/open source software is that distributed programming means quality control is often assumed to be someone else's responsibility. The really great thing about free/open-source software is that you can roll your sleeves up and fix stuff yourself

ok, one last nark. i have to agree with the sarge on the smilies frount, could they be shifted to below the box i am typing in right now?

BUT...now for some good points, oh yes.

1.amazing loading speed!!!
2.login is back on the main page, which i have moaned about loads for being on a seperate page.
3.the multi language thing is good (not for my benifit, but for others)
4.more "new forum topics" and "recent comments" shown on the right hand side.
5.oh, and i like the new font.

well done guys! slaps on the back all round!

New issue: when you click "Go to the Forums", some links are missing, notably "my posts", which was how I previously tracked the posts relating to games I was playing. If this has changed to a new system, how do I get to it?

[Edit: ah, found it, it's in "my account" on the "track" tab]

Old bug, mentioned by Magrat earlier: The default sort order of the forums is oldest-first. With the improved loading times, this is less of an issue, since reordering them is now the work of a couple of seconds rather than half a minute, however, it would still be nice if when going to a forum we could see the most recent posts and comments for that forum, instead of the oldest.

New issue: some blocks on http://www.thudgame.com/image have an incorrect background colour (white text on white background). [edit nope that's an old issue and Mr Scrub describes other issues with it here http://www.thudgame.com/en/node/1022 ]

Fixed.

Neutral, Very Happy, Cool, Confused, Razz, Sad, Smile, Surprised, Wink are duplicated in both lists. The reason for this is that technically they are separate smiley definitions with the same graphic. Smiley definitions include the flag "can be part of a word" or "can't be part of a word".

With "wink", test;)test will not create a wink but test:wink:test will, like so:
test;)test vs. testtest

I might be able to fix that too, but it'll mean editing the smileys module. That module does need editing anyway, though, since there's currently a bug in the admin side that means it doesn't list any of the smileys and let me edit them. There's also a minor bug that it has inconsistent spelling of smileys/smilies in various places, and the fact that there are two smiley-input divs, one above the textarea, one off to the right.

Huzzah! give the man a biscuit!

can it be correct that there are 50 visitors on the site?
we had about 2 to 5 back in the good old days!

Almost certainly not, given it thought there were about that many guests looking at the forum when it was *offline*

Will see if I can find out how it's inflating that number, too.

why do german words appear on the site? like antworten instead of reply?

and where are the green arrows on the comic site to switch the page?

What happened is that we upgraded the software from one version to another, since the older version had a number of significant bugs, was very slow, was not compatible with several of the newer plugin modules, and was a right pain in the rear tto develop modules for, administer, and so forth.

We've done our best to keep everything identical: you'll note that there was no huge sitewide overhaul, though we considered it. Instead, Lee spent weeks working on the look-n-feel to make sure that there was as little change as possible.

There are still changes which can be broken down into several categories:

1) Features that were not used by anybody, were pointless bloat, and slowed the site down. We removed such features deliberately and won't be including them again unless there's significant demand for them.

2) Some features that were provided by "third party modules" in the old version, were abandoned by the developers and never upgraded to work with the new version. Odds of us getting such a feature back are slim unless we convert the module ourselves, someone else adopts the orphaned project, or another module comes along that provides the same functionality. Nothing significant falls into this category, or we wouldn't have upgraded.

3) A feature was provided by a third party module in the old version, which is still being converted by the developers to work with the new version. Odds of us getting that feature back are good, though we avoided upgrading until all significant modules were already available under the new version.

4) Deliberate, for-the-better changes and upgrades, most of which are invisible to the casual user (font, speed, search box, improved CSS layout, block-cacheing, removed dummy "quote" link, removed sig from textarea, login to frontpage [still needs work], better admin interface, etc).

5) Bugs. As you can see, we're working on squishing these as fast as we can.

[edit: deleted some bug descriptions and moved into next post]

Issues that we think are probably "closed":

Fixed by Lee.

Fixed by Lee.

Fixed by Lee.

Fixed by Lee.

Fixed by Lee: Replaced on front page, and page loads sped up. Still needs work though - see below.

Fixed by Lee.

Fixed by Dewi.

Fixed by Dewi.

Fixed by Dewi.

Fixed by Dewi.

Fixed by Dewi.

Fixed by Dewi.

Fixed by Dewi.

Fixed by Dewi.

Fixed by Dewi.

Fixed by Dewi: I had one more quote close-tag than open-tags. However, there should be a filter to ensure that all html tags opened in the course of the post are closed before the next one.

Fixed by the update.

Admin-only "feature", informs you when you've made a change that caused some of the block cache to be rebuilt. Probably won't be "fixed", because it's really handy for debugging, though I adit it's probably useless for most admins.

Unable to reproduce - if you get it again, please post about it asap, so I can use the timestamp on the post as a guide to roughly where in the logs to look to find out what happened

Unable to reproduce - fixed by cron?

Unable to reproduce - fixed, or mysterious intermittent bug?

If anyone is getting a language other than the one selected in their preferences, please let me know.

"Recent site posts" on the righthand menu lists either all forum posts, from all forums, with the most recently updated threads first: or only your own posts (depending which tab you click on the page, "All recent posts" or "My recent posts").

Currently there are 67 of these in the last 900 seconds (15 minutes). Of these, 47 are Inktimo bots, 11 are Google, 3 from search.live.com, and a misc few. I hope that these will die down once they've finished reindexing the updated site: if not, I'll need to write a way to exclude search bots from the list.

This isn't a bug, just a lack of translation. You can even help with this by translating the untranslated items for us - let us know if you're interested there

I'm not sure this is really a bug - it should be rare in normal use, and personally I'd usually want to know if there was someone else logged in as me at the same time.

Flatforums is no longer in use - would be interested in whether this change has resolved this issue, or made it far worse?

Magrat & Death, please let us know if this still happens, and if so, make a post when it happens so I can use the post timestamp to have an dea of when in the logs the clues will be Hopefully though, this bug was fixed by the upgrade.

Stuff Dewi is currently looking at:

Fixed by Dewi.

Stuff Lee is currently looking at:

Lee is working on this - need to install the WebComic module.

Should just be a case of turning them on in the signature config. Or could be a bug in which case, pass to Dewi.

CSS: Lee's problem

CSS: Lee's problem

I'm just passing the buck to Lee, here.

I believe this is somewhat fixed, but the tabs on the edit page still go off the right and merge with the righthand menu. If there's a way to get the tabs to wrap or resize, that would be cool.

Won't be fixed in the near future:

That's actually nontrivial: I'd need to write a whole module for it. I suspect other people also want that functionality though, so someone might already have written such a module. Will check.

This may be possible using Drupal's built-in capabilities, but will take some testing. Nice idea though, and will probably be done.

This may be possible using Drupal's built-in capabilities, but will take some testing. Nice idea though, and will probably be done.

This will mean rewriting chunks of core Drupal. I do like the idea, but I will investigate other ways of doing this before making changes that would need to be re-made after every security patch.

Probably won't be implemented unless I can find a way of having this off for all users by default, and letting people turn it on if they want. As Death pointed out, some of the clocks out there can be awfully badly done, with java, flash, ajax and other nastinesses when everything can be done clientside in avascript. However, some are not, and http://www.javascript-page.com/clock.html is a paricularly good startingpoint. All that needs is to have the server time passed to it when the page is loaded, calculate an offset (to the nearest 30 minutes or so) from that, then each tick, use the local time as a basis, and just add that offset. And a noscript, with the time the page was loaded, of course. Always, always degrade gracefully.

There are tradeoffs involved here.
1) Ease-of-use. People want to be able to have their browser autofill the form, click "login" on any page of the site, and be logged in. They do not want to go to a separate page to log in.
2) Performance. Having the whole site be HTTPS would not scale well, and would slow the server down.
3) Security. Logging in from a non-HTTPS page is insecure if you have someone snooping your packets: your password is sent in plaintext. This is really bad if you use wifi, because people wardriving past can capture your password. Many users use the same password for hotmail, paypal, their bank, etc.

One workaround is to have a javascript thing that pre-caches the HTTPS password form while people enter the username in the HTTP form. But this is not compatible with pages that take longer to load than it'd take to enter the user's username (eg instant for browser autofills).

I regret that I cannot think of a better solution than to have the insecure login dialog, MARKED as insecure, along with an option to go to a secure page to do it. This gives users the control over whether they want to spend the few extra seconds to be safe from packetsnooping.

problems while posting
when i post a message like this one i have problems with things that shold be on the left hand side, cuz they are in the middle of the page.

Is this every time you post? And can you PM me and let me know which browser/version/OS you use? This would help me out a lot!

OK, I've seen this so I'll work on it.

Is this still here? We saw it the first time we logged in then it went away. Lets' know if it remains for you.

The site is now set to find the default language set in your browser. If you want it to display English to yuo instead you can choose this in your user profile and as soon as you log in it will change to English for you.

Stuff Lee is currently looking at:

webcominc module is still in development so I will have to add these manually for the moment.

This is my next job on the (my) list

I'll consider it. Any other opinions or does everyone agree with the Sarge?

Possibly. I'm not sure what is meant, though. Can we have more info please?

Just fixed, I'm happy to say!!

ok, one more thing. BIIIIIG issue.

can we have a prettier "druid" avatar? the admin one rocks, so could we have one like that?

pretty please?

with a cherry on top?

if you give me the font i will do it myself

cur? I reckon the druid one looks good and the admin one sucks. at least the druid one looks druidy and has a colour that goes well with the background

The search bit i do like but it has quirks.

The search does not include the searching of titles for example:-

if you search for "Kings Game" you get no hits

but if you search for "Kings" you get a thread called "Kings Game"

Dunno if this helps, but the same thing seems to apply to the page you get if you click "preview comment" while editing a comment, but not when writing an original one.

Mr S

EDIT: but only to the main chunk of text - if there's a quote, that div has a black background as normal.

i also get that off pink sort of dead salmon colour when previewing my posts,is this like a glich or is it something you guys haven't noticed yet?

and also sometimes when i want to add a smiley to my post the options aren't there,it's not a huge problem for me cos i know most of the codes,but for others it could be annoying,is anyone else having these problems?

[edit] actually i was wrong,it works for posting in forums,but when creating a topic it doesn't show up,the smileys,i mean

I think i mentioend this on a live chat but just so there is a record of it

I can no longer use the view games function.
http://game.thudgame.com/getgame/
gets
Server not found
Firefox can't find the server at game.thudgame.com.

and also i can no longer just open the live game in a seperate boc
http://game.thudgame.com/latest/
Also gets
Server not found
Firefox can't find the server at game.thudgame.com.

Actually that's probably linked to something else I noticed a few days ago... In my introduction to the suggestions forum I've put a link to Dewi's ToDo list, but that also seems to be afflicted by a missing server or rather DNS pointing to the wrong place...

Mr Scrub

some time In the 5 or 10 mins b4 20:30 BST we had at least 12 users in the live chat and it crashed not sure why but maybe the log files can help.

I've had a look at the source of the forum page where that clock is used, and it actually is a set of gifs that only get refreshed every time you click a link. The gifs themselves get updated every minute (or hour, day, month) serverside. So nothing fancy, and definitely no clientside resources needed.
I've sent Dewi a URL for that forum, so he can have a look and think about it.

happened again at around 22:10 BST, with just me and Ercharmion playing away alone.

MS